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Friday, March 2, 2001
Emptying the Bracketology mailbag
By Joe Lunardi
Special to ESPN.com
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Let's get right to an overcrowded mail bag:
RPI & Other Musings
I would like for you to clarify something for me: What, in your opinion,
is the purpose of the NCAA basketball tournament? If it is a tournament
of the best teams to determine the "true" national title, then there is
every reason for the power conferences to get the benefit of the doubt
(regardless of a sub .500 conference record). Is there any doubt in your
mind that if Tennessee, Virginia or Wake Forest played in one of the
mid-major conferences that they would have at least a .500 conference
record? To disregard their out-of-conference schedule because they did
not finish even in the conference gives teams no reason to play tough
out-of-conference games, since they have no effect on entry into the
tournament. The fact that out-of-conference schedule does matter gives
the mid-majors a chance to prove themselves (because they cannot do so
by beating up the cream puffs inside their conference).
If you want to make the NCAA Tournament a reward for a successful
season, then that is fine. Find another way to determine the national
champ. If not, then the 64 best teams should be in the tournament, based
on their entire schedule and record, not just part of it.
The reply is in response to my proposal that Division I teams be required to play .500 or better in conference games (including
conference tournament games) in order to be eligible for an at-large bid. Here are a few more thoughts on the idea, some in reaction to
Raymond:
1. The NCAA Tournament does, in fact, determine a "true" national champion. Let's not forget that pretty much EVERY SINGLE TEAM is
eligible for the national tourney through their own league playoffs. In that sense, sub-.500 conference teams have the same opportunity to
advance as VMI or Western Carolina.
2. No one is suggesting the NCAA Tournament always determines the best team. We all know the consensus "best team" frequently is not the one
cutting down the nets at the Final Four. What the tournament does determine quite well is a national champion, because, via the annual
automatic qualifiers, it is an open and national event.
3. To suggest inviting only the 64 very best teams is simplistic and unrealistic, given the association of disparate institutions that
compose NCAA membership. Think of it this way: Since Alaska only has three electoral votes, and since the margin of victory in any
presidential election has never been fewer than four, why should Alaska ever vote? The answer, of course, is that Alaskans are as equal as
Californians or New Yorkers in the eyes of the republic.
4. What I really think is that if one of your cited teams (say Wake Forest) was suddenly shifted to the CAA, it would eventually become a
mid-major program. After a few years -- with significantly less TV exposure, diminished recruiting, a weaker schedule, etc. -- Wake would be
much closer to Richmond than Duke on the national stage. This is exactly my point in saying power conferences ALREADY get every benefit of the
doubt.
I'm not losing any sleep over the idea of leaving a 6-8 SEC team at home so that a Southwest Missouri State can get a second bid from the
Missouri Valley Conference. It says here that an SMS would have an equally good chance (or better, if recent tourney results are any
indication) of reaching the Sweet 16 as a diminished Tennessee.
I am writing to recommend the computer rankings of a friend, a Ph.D. economics student whose system is far, far superior to the RPI. His site
is http://www.stanford.edu/~damiller/difcr/index.html and his FAQ (http://www.stanford.edu/~damiller/difcr/FAQ.html) explains his system
and why it is more credible than the RPI.
We'll let the readers respond on this one.
Around the Bracket
You have taken a lot of flak about your Virginia statements after the Duke game, and also about your lack of respect for the ACC. Even as a
UVa student and super-fan, I agreed with your statement after the Duke game about Virginia not being a lock. If they had lost the rest of their
games, they would certainly not have deserved a bid.
But Virginia just stomped a UNC team that is supposed to be one of the best. When does UVa begin to earn respect? They have underachieved at
times, but I can't imagine them being less than a two or three seed barring an ACC tourney collapse. What do the Cavs have to do to create a
buzz?
The Cavs certainly have plenty of "buzz" right now -- all of it deserved. I
also do not think they have underachieved at any point this year. All I
thought was that Virginia needed to win one more league game to be a
"lock." Mission accomplished.
I have lived near East Lansing for pretty much my entire life, and for
all these years I've always been a fan of the Michigan State Spartans. I
am just wondering about your thoughts on how good a chance they have of
earning a No. 1 seed in the Midwest Region. I know that Illinois beat
them in their only matchup this season, but the game was tight for the
most part. Not to mention, over 80 percent of Big Ten games are won by
the home team as the Big Ten is most likely the toughest place to play
away from home.
Anyway, if it turns out that the Illini and Spartans share the Big Ten
crown, do you think that if the Spartans win the Big Ten Tournament,
that the Selection Committee will select them over the Illini? Or do you
think that the committee may still stick with Illinois based on the fact
that they beat MSU in the lone showdown this season? With that point
aside, I think that the Big Ten Tournament will be more exciting than
ever, and I think the NCAA Tournament, with so much parity this season,
will be a heck of an event.
Hard to argue with either of your last assertions. We where differ is in
our interpretation of the results of the Big Ten tourney. You think it
may muddy the waters for selecting the Midwest No. 1 seed; I think it
will clarify the situation.
My question is about the ultimate bubble team, the Richmond Spiders.
With an end of season record of 21-6 (everyone knows that they are not
allowed to play in the CAA Tournament) and being regular-season champs,
will it be enough? They have won 10 of their last 11, beating American
by 41, George Mason by 20 and VCU by 18 in their final three games.
There road record is 10-4 and they beat Mississippi State at their home
stadium. Their current RPI is 45, not too bad. How does it look in your
eyes?
I currently have the Spiders "in" the projected field. I also think they
will receive extra consideration because of the CAA political situation.
It is not unlike the first time Charleston went to the tourney in the
early 90s. The Cougars were not yet eligible for their league tournament
(TAAC), but posted an impressive enough season to catch the eye of the
committee. Having said that, Richmond's overall profile is not as strong
as Charleston's that year AND they do not have similar signature wins.
However, I believe it will go right down to the wire for the Spiders.
South Florida is a strong team in Conference USA, which is barely
mentioned on television and the ESPN web site. They have both a solid
conference record as well as overall. What do you think their chances
are of making the NCAA Tournament and, if they do make it, how far do
you think they can really go?
South Florida has underachieved for the second year in a row. And the
weakness of Conference USA, compared to prior years at least, makes
their NCAA at-large chances virtually nil. USF has better win the
conference tournament if it has any real aspirations beyond next week.
I just wanted to take a little time to respond to some of your recent
points of view on the ACC. Since I am a huge Virginia fan, you are not
one of my favorite people. Frankly, I believe you do not know what in
the heck you are talking about. First of all, the ACC is the best
conference in the nation and the rest of the nation just does not stack
up with them. I think you have something against the ACC and, for some
strange reason, you have something against Virginia.
What have they done to you? Did they beat one of your favorite teams?
Ha! Ha! Virginia's record speaks for itself. I think 18-6 is pretty good
considering they have beaten Duke, Tennessee, Missouri, Maryland and
Wake Forest. I also think North Carolina is going to be added to that
list pretty soon. They got the shaft last year and that will not happen
this year no matter what you say. I think your whole opinion on things
comes from you being jealous of the ACC. They have always been the best
and they always will be.
Well, back to Virginia now. They are currently ranked ninth in the AP
poll and eleventh in the coaches poll, and you are going to tell me that
they are on the bubble? I think it's time for you to retire. I wished I
got paid to give stupid opinions like you. I know more about college
basketball than you could ever dream of.
Well, Joe, I could waste my precious time and dispute with you, but I am
not going to. When the dust all clears, the ACC will shine like always
and they will cause guys like you to choke on your pathetic words. I
cannot say that it has been good talking to you.
Jason, you are a credit to your school, the nation and the entire free
world. For the record, I never said Virginia was "on the bubble." I did
suggest, prior to the North Carolina game, that UVa was not yet a lock
(one game over .500 at the time in the ACC, an RPI in the 40s and a
non-conference schedule ranked No. 197). The number of individuals from
such a fine institution who did not make that simple distinction
continues to boggle my mind.
Play-In Confusion
I know that everyone is concerned about the bubble teams and conference
champions, but I still think there is some interest (confusion?)
regarding the 64-65 game on Tuesday night, March 13. Will this
strictly be a matchup of the lowest-rated RPI teams who get automatic
bids as conference champions or will the overall conference RPI have an
impact, too?
For example, say James Madison (which has been playing well of late)
sweeps the Colonial tournament to get the automatic conference bid.
Their record will be about .500 with a very low RPI (in the 175 range).
Would the higher RPI of the Colonial keep JMU out of the play-in game,
as compared to, say, the RPI of the SWAC or Big South conference? Or, in
this specific example, does JMU get out of the play-in game since they
beat potential Big South champion Radford earlier in the season? This is
definitely looking at the bracket from a true bottoms-up perspective.
When the play-in game(s) were first necessary in the early 1990s, its
participants were determined one year prior by Conference RPI. In other
words, the tournament committee knew that the champions of League X and
League Y would be pre-slotted into whichever play-in game(s) were
necessary. For this year, the committee has amended its procedures to
have team Nos. 64 and 65 "play in" (regardless of conference
affiliation). So, hypothetically, Rhode Island and Northwestern could be
in the play in teams if both posted near-miraculous conference
tournament victories.
PS: How's Herman? And I'll bet you really got tired of that as a kid.
I've kept silent on this issue, but now I really must ask a silly
question. Is this play-in game going to be a permanent addition to the
tournament? In my opinion, it is patently ridiculous to ruin the
tournament simply to have a 17-12 (7-9 in conference) at-large team in
the field. Please tell me this is a one-year aberration.
I cannot grant your wish, Jeremy. The number of at-large teams in the
field is mandated by the NCAA at 34. So there will be play-in game(s) as
long as the number of automatic qualifiers is greater than 30.
Every week, you tell us that "the best teams, regardless of conference"
should be selected to the Dance. But then you tell us that the 34
at-large bid rule is unfair to the little guys, two of which get stuck
playing the play in game. Aren't these two positions contradictory? It
seems to me that if the best teams, regardless of conference, are to
play in the championship, then there should be 64 at-large teams. Let
the reward of a conference championship be just that?a conference
championship.
I'm not advocating this, mind you. However, it's pretty tough to get all
worked up over the poor, poor teams which will play in the play-in game
when these teams will probably be the two annual teams that get in with
losing records by virtue of beating the other bad teams which comprise
their conference.
The fly in this ointment is that the "poor, poor teams" you mention are
equal members of an association called the NCAA, as are their
conferences. Once NCAA membership recognizes those schools and
conferences according to established criteria, they have a right to
participate in the national championship. Now I'll grant you that a No.
16 seed has never won an NCAA tournament game, but I doubt that was
going through John Thompson's mind against Princeton or Gene Keady's
mind against Western Carolina or Jud Heathcote's mind against Murray
State or Nolan Richardson's mind against Texas Southern. And then there
are those No. 15 seeds?Coppin State, Santa Clara, Richmond, etc.?which
HAVE advanced. To me, the real question you should be asking is: Why
should one of those teams be left out of the main bracket so that the
Big Ten can get seven teams instead of six.
Joe Lunardi is a regular in-season contributor for ESPN.com and ESPN Radio (Mondays, 9:20 p.m., EST and Saturdays, 2:25 p.m. EST). He is also the editor of www.bracketology.net. Write to Joe at jlunardi@home.com. Send this story to a friend | Most sent stories
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